Introduction: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Wellness Surge Podcast with Dr. Adeola Oke. Each week we discuss our wellness journey with real people like you and me. We have conversations about food, fitness, mental health, financial wellness, and much more, so you can get back to the real you. To make sure that you’re up to date with this and other wellness topics, visit wellnesssurge.com. Information presented here is for educational purposes only and is not intended to diagnose or treat any disease. Please do not apply any of the information presented here without first speaking with your primary care provider. Now let’s head on to the show.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:00:36] Hello, Everybody! Welcome to the Wellness Surge Podcast. My name is Dr. Adeola Oke, and I’ll be your host for today. Today, we have Miss  Iman Zamzam with us. Say hello to everybody.

Iman Zamzam: [00:00:47] Hi everybody.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:00:49] Ahh, Alrighty. So Ms. Iman  Zamzam has a degree in business and she never thought that about working in healthcare at all- until year 2011, when she goes severely sick for about six weeks and the only treatment that worked for her was hijama (cupping) , and IT helped reduce her symptoms.

She will tell you a little bit more about that in a few minutes. Her brother had been an hijama practitioner for about 20 years prior to that. And he always encouraged her to do hijama, but she didn’t because she was scared of blood.

So he did the hijama procedure on her in 2011- and she saw the benefits. That encouraged her to earn her Iijima diploma and her license in 2011. She has been practicing since then. She later went into the nursing field and got a bachelor’s in nursing from Northern Arizona University in 2018.

She currently lives in Phoenix, Arizona with her two amazing teenagers and works in a psychiatric urgent care facility in Phoenix, Arizona. Alrighty. It’s a pleasure having you here with us today. Thank you for being on the show.

Iman Zamzam: [00:01:54] Well thank you for having me too.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:01:57] All right. So I’ve always wondered. We talk about hijama. What is hijama? What is cupping?

Iman Zamzam: [00:02:06] Well, some people, they have actually missed concept about hijama when they do dry. Because hijama can be dry or wet cupping. The original hijama is the wet cupping- which was we removed the toxin from your body, to relieve the stress, to relieve the pain, to help you take all the dirty stuff from your body. And you feel light, you feel different.

When you do actually dry cupping, the dry cupping, they place the cups on your body and just keep it for about 30 to 40 minutes. And that actually relive the pain for about a day or so. When you do the wet cupping, the wet cupping actually lasts you the minimum of three months.

It releives the pain. Especially when people, they have arthritis, they have migraine, they have a lot of stress, they have shoulder pain, they have muscle spasms. They have like problems with irregular period, they have back pain, mainly for back pain as well. And all these, actually, once you do the procedure, people think that they can do it once a monthor every month.

I always advise my patients once you do this procedure, because it’s wet cupping, it’s not dry. There’s a difference between dry and wet. Dry- you can do it every week. If you can do it every three days. But with wet cupping, because we remove all these toxins from your body,  the minimum, you have to wait for about two to three months.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:03:23] Okay. So what is, what’s the difference? Like when you say wet, dry, what is that? What does that mean?

Iman Zamzam: [00:03:28] The dry,you don’t take out any toxins from your body. The wet, you take all the toxin  away. So you, you suck the blood out. So what we do actually, when we do wet, we placed the cups on the area.

First I do assessment on the patient. This is how I do it .  Based on the assessment , in my mind, I know where I have to place the cups- where the cups should be. So for example, somebody has diabetes. So I have to put one cup on the pancreas to make the pancreas produce more insulin. This is if the patient has type two diabetes, not type one.

With type one, the pancreas is already damaged. So the patient is not going to benefit off that. For patients, that have blood pressure. You need to know where’s the post for blood pressure. Patients has disc, they have arthritis,so migraine-wherever I do assessment, once they do the assessment. And then I know I head where these points where these cups was going to be placed.

So I placed the cups on the skin and the first I have to clean the skin, make sure. Because we need to puncture the skin very lightly. Like you barely touch it. We have to be very careful, especially with diabetic people because as their actual prone to infection. So what I do, I place the cups and then leave it for a minute or so, or two minutes.

And then I look at the area where I want to do it. And then you just bunch of the skin, very, very little like touching, touching the surface of the skin. This is when you start actually sucking the blood out between the- I mean under the skin and between the muscles. We don’t touch the veins. There’s no blood that will come from the veins.

This is when you see the blood actually start coming. Then the patient right away- sometimes they feel the difference, sometimes it takes them about 24 hours, sometimes it take them three days, some people take them one week. And so far I have been doing this for now nine years. I never seen any- barely, like maybe 2% or 3% people, they didn’t have the, like the perfect effect because some people they say, ‘Oh, I didn’t see that much difference’. But over 90% of the people, they always coming back to me. Continuously every three months because they see the effect of the hijama and how actually it changed their life.

And they actually reduce their pain. Especially in people with the chronic pain, they have been taking a lot of medications. And especially when they have been taking like medications that actually affect their kidney and liver, and they don’t want to live all their life on meds, so they need something naturally and it’s safe.

So this is because the hijama is safe. The only thing people actually would be concerned about :people that they’re actually taking blood thinner medication. I would recommend them to stop the medication for three days before I see them. And they have to sign another form that they already stopped the medication, because I can’t take liability because they could bleed to death.

The  other actually concern is patients with dialysis. Those patients, they cannot touch them because they doing dialysis and the kidney is damaged, and it’s really very, difficult actually to take this blood out from their body. So it’s not going to help them and it’s dangerous. So those people, I usually don’t touch and the people with base maker and usually it’s a little bit risky.

So usually the other patients, I don’t know, have any problem. Um, usually my patients come to me every three to four months. Some people, every six months. It’s,  recommended to clean your body at least twice a year. So when you clean your body twice a year, it’s, it’s the same thing that you clean up your house from dirt.

To keep your house clean. It’s the same concept. When I talk to people, that don’t have any health background. I want to talk to them in the language. They do understand. So I tell them how you clean up your house- is the same thing you clean up your body. This is why it is reccomended by prophet Muhammad’ (SAW) because it’s our sunnah we believe in that.

And now in th see days, it’s proven that it’s very effective. In the Chinese, they’re not even Muslim, they are already using it years and years and years, years ago and they see how effective it is. Here actually, some people they ask me, what is the difference between acupuncture and wet cupping? Wet cupping is different than acupuncture.

Acupuncture, they do needleing. And needleing, they get some blood out, but barely. And that’s why the procedure, it doesn’t last more than like a week or two weeks. And then they have to come back. Well, they make really good money or out of that. With me, I don’t see the patients till maybe three months, four months, six months.

So it depends how long each patient is different. That’s what I would tell them. I had an experience I would like to actually share with you. That I had one patient called me three years ago. She asked me that she has a nerve damage  in her neck. It caused her a lot of migraine and she needed to do the procedures.

She asked me that. Do you think that will help? I said well, I don’t guarantee anything. Everything is in the hands of Allah. If you want to come and do it and try it, I mean, you don’t have to do a surgery because she was going to do a surgery.

I said, there’s not going to cost you too much. And then you try it. If you get benefit of it, then you continue to do it. If not, then the surgery will be your last option. So she came to me, I did the procedure on her. I didn’t hear from her for like eight months later. So I thought maybe she did the surgery. So she called me, she said, Oh my God, this is that’s the migraine stop coming right now.

I was like, Oh, wow. So you didn’t have migraines since then for eight months.  She said, yeah, that was amazing. So like, okay. So she scheduled and she came, so I did recommend her before the pains started. It’s reccomended to do it for her every four months. So now since then she has been coming to me every four months and she saw the benefit of it.

Actually they see the effect right away. Some people they see the effect in a little later. So, everybody is different. And  that’s why I always tell my patients. Everybody is different and everybody acts to the procedure in different way. And it’s the same thing. For example, when you take medication, maybe even this medication doesn’t work for you, but it does work for other people .But with procedure, with this hijama, it does benefit. Even for example, the people that think,’ Oh, didn’t help me much’ but it does help you with circulation in your body.

It does help you to remove this dirty stuff, even if you didn’t feel that the real effect of it. But it does for me, I always do, because I work in healthcare. I do my procedure every two months, uh, especially for my immune system. So when I got COVID, I didn’t get sick from COVID because my immune system was high.

It was really good because if I boost it every two months to make it strong, if there’s any bacteria or virus will invade my body too, the immune system is strong enough to fight it. And when I got the COVID in July, I didn’t get sick. So I stayed home only for five days and then went back to work.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:10:11] Wow. Wow.

Iman Zamzam: [00:10:13] Everybody is different. That’s why, when any patients come to me, I have to do the immune system without even asking them if you need it or not. For example, if they told me that they have a lot of stress, so I have to know where the stress is at. So you have to know not only the  hijama, you have to know anatomy and pysiology as well. Because you need to know where’s your kidney located? Where is your lungs located?

People with asthma- I have to do full session for the asthma patients. You need to know where’s the lungs located? Where you need to place those cups. Oh, you need to know- for example, people tell you I have a problem: I have fats in my liver.

Well, you need to know where the liver located. So you need to put those cups in the right place. I believe actually nursing helped me a lot, with, with the hijama- the combination together. It did help me a lot. And I feel actually grateful to help people with this procedures and because I know, I mean, I’m the only one licensed to do this procedure here in Arizona.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:11:12] Wow! You are?!!

Iman Zamzam: [00:11:15] Yeah….

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:11:15] No wonder he reco- somebody recommended you to me like, Whoa. Okay.

Iman Zamzam: [00:11:20] Yeah. That’s why. And now, because I worked so many hours at the psychiatric  urgent center, we are really, really busy because of the stress. Because of depression due to the pandemic. My son is licensed.

My son, he do the men- I do the women. And, um, I do my best actually to satisfy everybody, but usually I take only one or two days per week off just only to see my patients. Because I usually work Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and it’s really difficult for me to see anybody while I’m working, because I work seven to seven.

And there’s no way I can see somebody after my shift.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:11:54] Okay. I wanted you to share your story, right? Because we talked about you being sick. Right.F o r about six weeks, which then introduced you to hijama so that people can get a little understanding. Right. We got the whole lady about the neck one, but I wanted you to share your story about you.

You talked about like some bleeding and stuff. So just a little briefly. Just while the time permits us. Okay.

Iman Zamzam: [00:12:15] Sure. Well actually, because I had the bleeding, I didn’t know why… what happened. And so I saw multiple doctors and they said they want to remove my uterus. They want to just take my tube. So I was like, concerning, you need to tell me what’s going on with me.

They couldn’t. So I said I refused to do the surgery. So my hormone blood was really high. So my brother, he actually, I contact him, and I said, I’m not feeling good. I’m going to be admitted to the hospital. I had two little kids and I didn’t know who’s going to take care of them. So I was afraid I’m going to die.

I had to bring my mom and my, my brother, when he heard about my situation, he got his ticket right away in the same weekend. He came to the United States. When he came, the first thing he did on me, he did the hijama. He did the procedure. At that time I didn’t think about the blood. I am always scared from the blood.

I didn’t think about anything. I just want to get better. So he did the procedure in me and then I felt the minute he finished the procedure, I felt my body back to normal. I felt like it’s me again. And I was like, Oh, wow. Is that? I was like, I was amazed. So, and then he told me, see how many years I have been convincing you to do it.

And then actually at that time he brought all the books and he, because he teach all over the world. And he has his own institution in UK. So I was like, okay. And then he brought all the books and we start, I started studying  little by  little bit. I was like, I still…. I don’t know if I feel comfortable dealing with a blood.

At the beginning, it was very difficult for me. And then what happened is  I went to my doctor after one week because every week they have to check. I became anemia and I was in very critical condition. So he did actually some herbs for me. A mix of juice of beets and carrots, all kinds of stuff. So to actually compensate me with the blood because so my hemoglobin go high.

So when I went to my doctor after one week after I did the procedure, I had still blood. It’s not bleeding. It’s just lining. So when I did the blood work, my doctor told me, ‘Have you changed your medication’? I said, no. She said, Oh wow, it’s strange. I said, what’s strange? She said, because I see everything back to normal.

I said, well, I know it is back to normal. She said ‘how do you know’. I said, I did hijama. And have been treated with a herbs medication. She said, ‘Oh wow. If that works, that’s really good’. So I was like, ‘yeah, this is the only one helped me. And I believe in that.’ So that’s actually what encouraged me to rethink about hijama. I said, if, and when my brother, he was telling me, see how I helped you, and how you felt better, and how you stop the bleeding, and you feel you back to normal- you can help other people. Because nobody usually do this, especially in the United States.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:14:49] I’ve seen some athletes. I think I read about athletes. I remember a swimmer that he did hijama. Do you remember? Do you know that? Michael Phelps? Was it Michael Phelps? Have you ever heard about athletes doing it?

Iman Zamzam: [00:15:01] Yeah.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:15:01] Hijama Boost?

Iman Zamzam: [00:15:02] I don’t know. Well, did it, yeah. I don’t know who did it for them, but it was in different state.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:15:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Yes.

Iman Zamzam: [00:15:09] I know in Texas there’s a multiple practitioner practice over there. And my brother he went there and he was doing some additional training for those people. And-but in Arizona actually, I’m the only one licensed to do it. And you know, ususally when people they call me. They contact me.

I was like, you know, when I have time, usually they don’t take walk in. So they have to take, they have to book an appointment because I’m not there all the time. So it depends on my time’s off or I’m not home. For example, I want to go shopping or if there’s a lot of things, you know, life is busy. So I don’t accept walk in.

I do home visit only in severe conditions. When I have, like, I had a patients like two weeks ago, she couldn’t move out from her bed. She has sciatic nerve. Very very, very bad. And it does help a lot with the sciatic nerve. So I went to her home and did home visit, but I charged her differently because I have to drive all the way. Like I drove almost one hour.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:16:01] Wow.

Iman Zamzam: [00:16:03] Usually I prefer patients to come to me. I don’t like to go to people’s house, but I only do it in a severe condition. That’s the only way I do it.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:16:11] Very good. All right. So some people think about-Oh, well, how you’re licensed- but some people say they do hijama. What are the red flags, right?

Yeah. Like a, for people where you’re like: Okay, I’m looking for a hijama practitioner. I’m not in Arizona. I cannot contact you. Who else should I feel confident contacting? Is there like a hijama buddy that we should go and look for people kind of thing. So we can know like people that are certified?

Iman Zamzam: [00:16:36] So we need, actually to learn about the practitioner background.

One guy actually, he came,he wants to learn hijama. And, um, he did only the course for one week. That’s not enough. And he doesn’t have any background about health-nothing. And when he started doing hijama, he was doing deep cuts. This is dangerous and extremely dangerous. My brother told him, you have to stop this. This can take you to jail because some people can sue you. You’re not eligible to actually practice.

Some people they say that they came from Africa. I know one lady that she came from Africa and from Sudan and she was doing the procedure without license. And I asked her, so when I told her I had back pain at that time- my son wasn’t licensed at that time.

So I told her I have my back pain. Usually my brother actually comes and do it for me. And he didn’t come for almost a year and I need to do it. I heard you do it. I asked her, do you have license? She said, no. I said, how did you learn it? She said, I learned it from back home from my grandma. That’s not how you practice.

It’s not safe practice because you don’t know. For example, if somebody- I mean faints. You’re doing the procedure. You don’t know how to or why the patient faints. Because the patient can faint for three reasons: they lose actually oxygen in the brain, they’re very scared, or they’re anemic. So how you can get the patients out and back to normal? You have to learn about all of that.

And even she is not licensed to do CPR. What about if the patients died in your care? So you need a license. You need to know what you’re doing, what are you doing? And plus the red flag, you’re talking about: The Hygiene.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:18:08] Yes!

Iman Zamzam: [00:18:10] They doing a terrible, terrible job in hygiene. Because this is something it’s very important.

I care so much about it. And because you cannot transmit the disease from one person to another, this is really dangerous. And everything I use for hijama procedure. It’s only one time use for that patient. I throw everything away. And that lady, she told me, she watched the cups. I said, what!!!???

So that’s crazy. I said you can’t do that. She said, yeah, because the cups is expensive. Why are you causing disease to other people? I told her: did you study microbiology? Did you know how bacteria grow? And no, she doesn’t understand. This is the blood you are dealing with. I told her, let me ask you this question. When you go to the doctor, they give you a shot. There is little tiny blood comes from that needle. They wash it and clean it and use it for other people.

She looked at me like that. I was like I said, excuse me, because they put it in the sharp, this is how dangerous to deal with blood. You cannot wash it. You cannot reuse it. You cannot. This is everything you have.

And this is a big flag. That’s why, when people, they saw her, what she’s doing, they stopped going there.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:19:16] Okay. Good. Good, good. Thank you. That’s that’s what I wanted because I was reading up on hijama and stuff. I was like, Oh, how do you know who to contact and all that? Alright. So we’ve kind of talked about a lot and I benefited.

So what I’m going to recap this, it seems like hijama is just good for your immune system. And during this COVID, we all need that right. Hijama is good for pain, people with chronic pain, for stress relief. It’s good for cleaning up-depression?

Iman Zamzam: [00:19:42] Yeah!

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:19:43] Okay. Depression. Okay. Okay. Okay. Alright. Good to know depression. Alrighty is good for pain. Um, what else did you, you say?

Iman Zamzam: [00:19:52] Migraine.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:19:54] I think I read about migrane. I think I heard about vertigo. I read about vertigo.

Iman Zamzam: [00:19:58] Yeah! Vertigo, it is very effective. Yeah. I did many, many actually people. The thing actually you will be amazed with. I did actually, they  are a couple- three years/ about less than three years ago from turkey.  They came to me to do procedure. He’s  a teacher and his wife is a teacher too. So they have been married for eight years. So what happened? I told them, he said he came just mainly to do the procedure on his back because his back is hurting. I was like, okay, fine.

Then his wife mentioned to me, cause I didn’t know. She said I have been married for eight years. I didn’t have children. I said, you don’t want children or you want children? She said, yeah, of course I want children, but we’re not able to prod- yeah conceive children. I was like, okay.

Would you like me to do the hormone for the children to have for fertility? She said, yeah, if you can. I mean, I would be a plus. I was like, okay. So I did the both of them and I did the hormonal one for fertility. And then I didn’t hear from them for one year. So after one year they call me to do the procedure again, and they came to me and they had a little girl she’s six weeks.

WHaattt!!!???

I was like, ‘you didn’t tell me you got pregnant!’. She said, I get pregnant like right after we did the hijama for me after like maybe six weeks. I said, how come you, didn’t tell me you get pregnant? She said, ‘I wasn’t, I didn’t believe it. I was like, I thought like, they’re lying to me. Not even when my tummy was getting bigger. I was like, Oh my God, I’m really pregnant. And then I have to bring my mom. I stopped working. I just want to keep the baby.’

She was so excited. And then I was like, Oh, Oh my, when I hold the baby, I was like, Oh my God. So she was like amazed.

She’s like, that’s why I always tell all my friends, please, if you have any issue, you have any fertility problems, irregular period, you have arthritis, you have like any kind of disease, just go, she will help you.

And, that’s why so many Turkish people, they come to me, they always ask me Iman, we heard so many good things about you. See the procedure because about, yeah, the hygiene I take, because you are very careful, very safe.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:21:56] Yeah.

The person that recommended you to me. He, he was just telling me about health stuff and he’s like, Oh, you need to go talk to this lady. I’m like, okay. Okay. I’ll call her. And so that was, you didn’t even tell him, you must be so good that he just recommended you from the blue. And this last piece you just gave me, you just blew me. You just blew me away. Alrighty. So this is, this is gold. Alright.

So  we talked a lot today. What is one thing that you want to make sure that people get from this conversation about hijama.

Iman Zamzam: [00:22:24] Well, I want them actually to go back years and years, 1400 years ago, how these people used to get treated and get actually relieved.

And some people they scared. I understand from the blood and that’s why I wanted to assure everybody, this is not a really painful procedure. It just uncomfortable. There is difference between painful and uncomfortable. That’s why, when somebody come to me, they don’t want to do it. They really want to do it, but they said, Oh my God, I’m scared from blood.

I’m scared from the puncture. You’re going to penetrate my skin. I was like, I tell them, it’s the same thing like when the cat scratch you. You feel the same thing. It’s uncomfortable. When people actually is very, very, very, very sensitive. I usually do numbing cream. I numb them for 45 minutes before I do the procedure in them. But I mean on myself, to be honest with you, I don’t know myself anymore because my body is used to the hijama.

So I don’t usually do it. So I wanted to talk on how effective it is, how to get benefit of it. And you are not going to feel the effect of it until you do it. Once you do it, you can see the difference. You know what I mean? Because some people, when you tell them about the, your experience, you’re not going to feel the same until you do it yourself.

Because it happened. I remember one actually customer came to me and he was afraid. He came with his mom and he was shaking. And  was like, Oh my God, I looked it on, on the YouTube. I see how much blood you can get out and blah blah blah. It looks painful. I don’t have, you know what I mean?

Just lay down. And we do only one point for you. If you feel uncomfortable, you feel you cannot do it. I’ll stop. I’m not going to complete one session for you. He said, okay. So he, so I did only one point. I said, how is it? He said, yeah, I can handle that. I was okay, so we can continue. So you need to assure the people that the procedure is safe.

And it’s not dangerous. Like some people, when they see the blood like, Oh my goodness. It is safe, but you need to know which, but which practitioner you want to see. You need to look for background. You need to see how long people they have been doing this. You want to make sure that the hygiene is it’s number one. You need to make sure that the cups is not used.

You have to make sure it was used only one time. Because this is patients care. I mean, this is patient’s care. And patients in your hand, you have to be honest. You know what I mean? You have to, you know, uh, do this procedure with honesty, with love, with like, you know, you have to do your best.

I care for my patients at my facility. I always give them the same attention for everyone. I’m not going to take care one person more than, than the other. No, I care about my patients all the same. I treat my patients all the same. I don’t have a problem with that. Some patients come to me, they have Polycythemia.

I told them I. I educate them. I educate my patients about the procedure before and after. I tell them you cannot eat before you come to do the procedure for at least two hours. Because once you eat too much, and you come to me, you will be nauseated. You may throw up. So you have not to eat.

After you do the procedure, you cannot take a shower for 24 hours. The first two showers you have, it’s going to be warm water. Don’t use scrubs. Okay. Don’t eat red meat for 24 hours. You can eat fish. You can eat chicken. You can eat vegetable, rice, whatever you want. So I do usually educate it. I tell them it might be, be itchy a little bit itchy when you do the procedure for a day or so. You have usually cream samples.

I can give them, they can use it and that’s it. It’s only for like a day or so, and it will go away. Usually the marks it will go away about- it takes about maybe a week to go away. The one in the face, maybe it takes about 10 days because it’s more sensitive. Usually, I educate them because I want them to expect to, to, you know, expect these things.

I don’t want them to call me back. They said, Oh the mark is still there. How long it was going to take. So when you give them all the education, they already have an idea. So they don’t have to bother you and call you again to have the knowledge about it.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:26:13] Alrighty. So how can people get ahold of you after the show?

So like, they want to come in and get some hijama, right? Even out of state. People, I’m sure they want to fly out to come and meet you.

Iman Zamzam: [00:26:22] Yeah, of course, when I started actually I’m planning because what happened? I was planningin the March to open my own clinic. This is when the pnademic hit and I was really busy with my work.

So I waited. I’m waiting actually to maybe at the end of this year or the beginning of next year Inshallah. I’m going to actually buy a place and open a clinic and then I’m going to do the advertisement. Usually I post some on my website on the Facebook. They can actually look me on the Facebook, but it’s not, I didn’t have a special Facebook.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:26:52] What’s your Facebook.

Iman Zamzam: [00:26:53] I don’t have it. I list usually only the brochure under my name. But I’m going to open like special just advertisement for the, on the Facebook. Once I opened the clinic so I can put the right address for the clinic and everything. And I’m going to make more advertisement because not many people know about it.

Because when you educate people about it, they know what it is. They feel safe. They feel comfortable to come. Some people, they don’t know, they have lack of knowledge. That’s why they scared. They don’t want to do it. Because if you actually educate people about it. They would feel more comfortable.

When they come to me, they scared. Once I educate them, they feel comfortable and they actually calm down. So that’s why I’m telling you many, many people, especially American people. They don’t know. I do have some American people come, some Mexican, but the majority are Muslim. The ones who come.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:27:40] Okay. So I just want to make sure we understand how to find you on Facebook, your name, Iman: I M A N.

And then last name, Zam Zam- Zam Zam, like it’s spelled.

Iman Zamzam: [00:27:50] And my first name, it  actually in the Facebook Zamzam and then Iman.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:27:54] Okay. So on Facebook they can find you a Zamzam Iman.

Iman Zamzam: [00:27:57] Okay. Alrighty.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:27:58] That’s why we want to get. So thank you so much. Thank you so much that this has been enlightening and like, I will be making my appointment very soon.

Alrighty. Alrighty. So guys, it has been wonderful hanging with you. I hope you learned the a thing or two, or a couple, from this episode. Learning about Hijama and  Cupping. But she does wet cupping. All right. Um, so, but if you like the show, make sure you subscribe to our channel so you don’t miss an episode, right?

You have a wonderful week now.

Bye bye.

Iman Zamzam: [00:28:28] Thank you so much. Thank you.  Thank you Adeola.

Dr. Adeola Oke: [00:28:29] Bye Bye.

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